Friday, January 11, 2008

The Difference between Conservative and Liberal Bloggers

I recently had a disturbing experience that has finally convinced me of something terribly important. I like to visit political blogs and engage people in discussions. I don't like to talk with people who agree with me, because I can't learn anything from such a group. You only learn from the people who disagree with you -- when they nail you. And so I wander the web, sampling different blogs, looking for some rich discussion.

I'm not looking for a fight. I'm not a troll. I hate getting into arguments with people. In fact, I always walk away when the temperature of the discussion starts rising. I am rigorously fair and civil in my comments. I don't make assumptions about the people I'm talking with; I respond only to what they actually wrote; and I never, ever say anything denigratory (I must confess to a few transgressions, but I'll explain those later.)

Since I am more anti-conservative than anti-liberal, I tend to spend more time at the conservative blogs. However, I have spent plenty of time on some liberal blogs as well.

I can summarize what I have learned in a simple slogan:

Conservatives mean, liberals obscene.

I'll start by explaining the latter part. The liberal blogs are actually very impressive. They tend to focus on the facts, gather their evidence, and they're pretty civil with those who disagree. The only real complaint I have about them is that they love to sprinkle obscenity into their writing. I'm no prude and I take no personal offense to the use of obscenity. My complaint is twofold. First, it's offputting to some people, and it strikes me as really stupid to engage in behavior that unnecessarily antagonizes people. Second, it makes for lousy writing. It's like, you know, one of those, you know, behavioral tics that, like, people use so often that, you know, it just really, like, gets under your skin. You know? Obscenity is a powerful tool in the hands of somebody who knows how to use it well. It's like hot pepper in food. You don't sprinkle it on everything, you restrict it to just one dish where you really want to have an impact. A single well-placed obscenity can add tremendous power to your writing. A hundred scattered obscenities do nothing more than communicate juvenility.

But now let's move on to the conservatives, because they're much worse than the liberals. Well, actually, they're not so bad -- from a very special point of view. You see, conservatives don't blog to discuss the issues or consider the problems of the world. Their real purpose is to band together and enjoy their tribal unity. A conservative blog is more like a pep rally than polite conversation over dinner. The point and purpose is to achieve mass agreement, to reinforce the tribal bonds, to celebrate their power.

This is best demonstrated by their behavior towards infidels. If you're not one of US, then you're one of THEM -- the enemy! If you don't agree with the tribe on all the key points, you are a stain on the blog, a disease, a taint that must be excised from the community. Many conservative blogs have ferocious banning rules -- they will ban people for so much as whispering a liberal comment. No kidding! They're really hard-nosed about this. You spout the party line or you're kicked out.

The more open-minded conservative blogs don't rely on banning policies -- they rely on the membership to take care of that task. In these blogs, if you are stupid enough to mention that you think that Jimmy Carter is a generous soul, well, you'll have a dozen people posting ugly messages denigrating your patriotism, your intelligence, your ancestry, your manhood, and your virtue. I have been advised by these people that I don't know the first thing about global warming, foreign affairs, Islam, science in general, logic, history, religion, politics, Republicans, Democrats -- you name it, if it was under discussion, somebody had to say that I didn't know the first thing about it.

But what's really characteristic about these blogs is the viciousness. These people revel in nastiness. They are snide, sarcastic, rude, insulting -- if there's a way to use words to hurt people, they do it. I often feel like a stiff Englishman trying to maintain his aplomb as he attempts to discuss philosophy with a bunch of chimpanzees flinging feces at him. My primary rule is, never write about the person, write about the idea. Act as if there's no human being at the other end, that you're just arguing mathematical hypotheses with a computer. But eventually the hurricane of spittle gets to me and anger starts to creep into my words. Shortly thereafter I realize with a start that I'm starting to fling little bits of litter back at them. That's when I compose my "Vaya con dios" message in which I declare that the time has come for me to move on, that I have no hard feelings, and that I wish well to all. Invariably that post triggers sneers, triumphant clucking, and last-minute insults. These people are really mean!

The level of ignorance these people display is appalling. I'm not talking about the nitwit cases who hang on the fringe. I'm talking about the average, typical conservative blogger. I had one insist that the Nazis weren't right-wing, they were left-wing, just like the communists. Almost all of them are impatient for Mr. Bush to begin bombing Iran -- and some want an all-out attack, not just a few wimpy airstrikes. To a man, they all reject the basic global warming hypothesis. I explain the science and they just refuse to accept it. I have repeatedly challenged them to point out errors in the IPCC reports. Their response is always something along the lines of "We don't need to read no stinkin' IPCC report -- we already know that it's just a liberal pack of lies!"

Another scary thing is that they aren't in the least bit intimidated by facts. They know what they believe, and that's that. If you dare provide a contradictory source of evidence, they don't bother to come up with some evidence of their own -- they just call you a liar, dismiss your source as a liberal, or ignore your evidence and keep on re-asserting their beliefs.

And then there's the bigotry. Yes, many (not all) of these people are bigoted. Currently the object of their bigotry is Islam. They are absolutely certain that all Muslims are bloodthirsty orphan-rapers. They will quote the Koran to prove that all Muslims are out to kill all Christians. They are certain all Muslims want to conquer the world and impose Shariah upon Christians. I have tried combatting these crazy notions with quotes from literally scores of Islamic theologians condemning the 9/11 attacks, condemning terrorism, and condemning Osama bin Laden, and they have a ready answer: these are just the lies they tell to deceive gullible liberal fools like you.

Did I mention that their logic stinks? I have witnessed just about every crime against logic in the books. Guilt by association, non-sequiturs, argument by assertion, ad hominem arguments, false dichotomies, cherry-picked data -- the whole schmeer. (I can still laugh about the person who admitted that her data was cherry-picked, but insisted that her point was still valid because the data were still correct.) And again, these aren't the occasional errors of a minority -- they're standard operating procedure.

Now, this isn't just a diatribe meant to convince you that all conservatives are bad and that conservative blogs are dens of iniquity. I have a more important point to make. Consider how complex the problems we face are. Consider the intricacy of the problems of the 21st Century. Consider the way that economics, military factors, political factors, religious factors, and nationalism all intertwine in today's world. Now add to this the realization that a sizable portion of the American population is approaching these huge problems with all the sagacity and education of a clutch of feces-flinging chimpanzees.

What does this spell for America's future?

P.S. About two weeks after I wrote this piece, I experienced the maliciousness of conservative bloggers firsthand. I had been participating in what appeared to be a serious and thoughtful blog ("Dean's World" www.deanesmay.com) and had been careful to be extra-courteous to all. Some malicious person falsely informed a blacklist site that my IP address was a source of spam. That blacklisted me from the site. I notified the site owner by email of the problem but he never responded. I have abandoned all efforts to find an honest conservative blog wherein I can engage conservatives in thoughtful discussion of the issues. It appears that no such blog exists.

21 comments:

bobo said...

I really don't read any blogs per-se but what I see as the big difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals tend to think more with emotions and conservatives tend to think more along the lines of logic.

What I mean is liberals will do things and side with things because it feels right to do so such as entitlement programs, it feels good to help others. Now a conservative will look at that differently, he will look at it as "does this entitlement program help the bottom line of the economy?" and if it hurts it more than hinders it, then he will not side with it.

So a liberal might want to provide health care to everyone because it just feels right to provide heath care to everyone "I want everyone in the country even the lazy to have equal health benefits because it just feels morally right" however the conservative won't want to do that because that generally means higher taxes and less money in the person's pocket. A conservative looks at the issue as "I have a job, I'm already paying too many taxes from my paycheck, I have good health benefits, so I don't see any bottom line improvement by migrating to socialized medicine."

The liberal wants to do something because it feels right whereas the conservative wants to do something because it helps him or his country's bottom line.

Again, I don't read blogs, yours is the first one I stumbled upon(found it because one of my and my dad's favorite games was Scram, he was a huge anti-nuke proponent and the game fascinated him.) I found your idea of the differences to be interesting but thats not what I see.

One difference that I see between hard core conservatives and me is that I try to consider myself a compassionate conservative and that is unfortunately rather unique.

Chris Crawford said...

Yes, I'll agree that there's a lot of emotion on the liberal side of things -- but there's also plenty of emotion on the conservative side, too. I'll cite two of the more extreme examples: the response to 9/11 and the use of torture.

Conservatives, it seems to me, reacted to 9/11 almost hysterically. The invasion of Afghanistan was, I think, sound policy but the invasion of Iraq was crazy -- Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Instead of saying, "That was terrible. What can we do to prevent it in the future?", conservatives (IMO) screamed for bloody revenge. They wanted to hurt people, not fix the problem. Hence the attack on Iraq, the continuing calls for attacks on Iran, and so forth.

What really pegs it, IMO, is the defense of torture. The US has signed treaties foreswearing torture, and yet some conservatives are eager to torture. If they were seriously concerned about intelligence, there are lots of things we could do to improve our intelligence capabilities other than torture. I suspect that the deep motivation here is a cruel desire to inflict pain, not an honest desire to improve intelligence.

I'm not denying that there are some issues on which conservatives show logical thinking. Globalization and free trade are two examples. Nuclear power is an area where conservatives are much more logical than liberals.

As far as the blogging goes (and bloggers are not representative of the general population), I think that there is an obvious difference between the two. Check out some of the more popular sites. On the liberal side, there's DailyKos; on the conservative side, look at RedState or LittleGreenFootballs. Two things leap out at you: the DailyKos articles are long and filled with facts and links to documentation; the conservative sites have shorter articles that usually have just one or two links. There's a real difference there. I've been searching for years for a conservative blog on which I can have civil discussions with conservatives, and after examining hundreds of such blogs, I still haven't found one.

bobo said...

I do read DailyKos once in a while and go to Democratic Underground because I do want to understand how the liberal mind thinks.

I was raised in an extremely liberal environment (I lived in a commune home with my mom for a while during the mid 70's, my dad used to smoke reefer around me once in a while, very liberal parents back then) and have learned a lot about it. However in the late 80's I started doubting my liberal side and realized things such as "Nuclear power isn't a horrible thing if we do it right, it can save a lot of money and help the country." I also realized that hard work is more rewarding than entitlement programs.

I also am of the mindset that us invading Afghan was necessary however I never felt good about the Iraq war. I also don't think that Bush is that great of a president either (I think most conservatives find that Bush has done more to ruin the Republican party than anyone else in recent history). I also find that abortion to be heinous but necessary so it should not be abolished.

I am much more economically conservative though.

Interesting blog and article...

Chris Crawford said...

It appears that we're not that far apart. Let me suggest a paper to read that might give you some thought about the economics of being nice to the poor. While I do not share the liberal belief that we have a moral obligation to provide for all the poor, I do believe that we have a moral obligation to provide for all children, because they aren't to blame for their parents' shortcomings.

More important, though, is that there is a sound economic argument for some income redistribution. Although the concept goes back to the Enlightenment, the most recent and articulate presentation of it was made by Francis Fukuyama (generally thought of as a neoconservative). It revolves around the notion of "social capital" is the force that motivates people to cooperate with each other, thereby lubricating the wheels of the economy. You can find his paper here. I confess that it's a bit long but it is well worth it, because the point he makes is terribly important. And it makes perfect sense to any conservative.

bobo said...

I will read it later, I have to go do a bunch of errands.

I think I need to sign up for an account here.

By any chance do you have any old copies of De Re Atari that you would like to sell? I had a copy of that book many years ago and got rid of it. I have been rebuilding my old Atari collection and wanted to replace all the stuff I gave away in the early 90's.

Chris Crawford said...

Sorry, but I don't have any old copies. I had only one or two when I left Atari.

Gerald said...

I'm surprised by the "obscene" rating for liberal blogs. You must be reading different ones than I read: Tapped (American Prospect), Truthout, TPM Cafe and Liberal Oasis. I don't remember *ever* seeing a curse word on any of those blogs.

Chris Crawford said...

Yes, I confess that the great bulk of my time has been on Daily Kos, which I have read for many years. I have looked at a variety of other liberal blogs and you're right, they don't have anywhere near the level of profanity that we see on DKos. But gee, I had to find SOMETHING nasty to say about liberal bloggers!

Gerald said...

My problem with liberal blogs is that they sometimes can't resist the temptation to complicate the simplest things. Erudition is OK, but it's usually no match for simplicity.

So I often think they'd be better off by following the KISS rule: Keep it simple, stupid.

Chris Crawford said...

I have to admit, I haven't seen many liberal blogs that are concise. Most of the ones I like are really long-winded. But that's because I want to get into the meat of an issue, really get the facts. But I confess, this is a matter of taste, and I have no objections to your taste in this regard.

Chris said...

Bobo (and Chris!), it seems a little simple to me to place Liberal and Conservative into neat, generalized boxes. (warning: I am preparing to place Liberal and Conservative into neat, generalized boxes)

My own take on the thrust of Con versus Liberal is one of personal direction versus a larger, more thoughtful and inclusive picture. It seems many conservatives address the immediacies of life - "I need wood, there is wood, I will take the wood" versus a longer view held by some (I'd like to say most here, but as I'm shooting from the hip, "some" will do) liberals - "I need wood, I will take as much as I need, leave some for others, and plant a seedling for every tree taken". These are clearly ideals, and I am clearly spinning this from my own filters.

With respect to governance, this liberal expects a fair tax base to be used to enact institutions that exert stabilizing forces upon our country. Health care is a good example, often loathed by conservatives as an entitlement. Do the poor deserve to be well? Maybe, maybe not - but I do know that many more problems are going to occur through the pressures of poverty and the stresses of poor or possibly debilitating health.

In this regard, this liberal views the leveling of basic health as a stabilizing influence on our culture - it will still be a sense of worry, and one can always get better health through application of wealth, but helping people provide a basic existence (and I do mean basic) strikes me as sound policy.

If government can be applied sparingly and efficiently to provide infrastructure that eases our collective burden, I posit that as a society, conflict will be reduced, and that energy of conflict can instead be channeled into more fruitful expressions of humanity.

Chris Crawford said...

Chris, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending conservative thought, because you characterize liberal thinking as encompassing:

a larger, more thoughtful and inclusive picture

Now, I'll certainly agree that American conservatism has a lot of short-term thinking and often has problems with rationalism. I can rattle off a long list of topics in which the conservative position vis-a-vis the liberal position justifies your characterization: environmental issues, torture, war, abortion, and more. However, I'd like to put in a good word for what I'll call the more thoughtful conservatives -- not the knee-jerk hate-filled mass, but the more intellectual members of that group. The University of Chicago School of Economics is one such group: ardent supporters of capitalism who really make their case with intellectual integrity.

I'll also point to conservative concern for a balanced budget. Of course, modern Republicans have cast that belief to the winds, but the old-time conservatives were right, I think, to emphasize the dangers of deficit spending.

Similarly, I don't see any short-term or anti-rational thinking in conservative objections to national health care. We have already seen with Medicare and Medicaid how quickly medical entitlement programs can balloon into huge expenses. I see these two programs as transferring wealth from the young to the old, and I have to ask, why do the old deserve such treatment? I myself would like an inversion of these programs, redirecting them towards children. I'd like to see a national health program for children that insures full health care for them, and I'd finance it with the money going to old people right now. Which of course means that I'll NEVER be elected to any political office.

I agree with liberals that the current system of "emergency room national health care" is wasteful. I think this arises from our unwillingness to address a nasty reality: we have to place a dollar value on human life. If we're going to spend dollars on saving human lives, then we need to establish some criterion for wisely spending that money. That ultimately leads to a policy that ends up saying to some people: "Sorry, it will cost too much money to save your life. You die." Until we can face up to that issue, we'll continue to have problems with health care costs.

lesslucid said...

Andrew Sullivan isn't bad - have you tried his blog?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

Chris Crawford said...

Thanks for the suggestion. I had looked at Mr. Sullivan's blog last year sometime, and it's interesting, but there's no discussion; that's not a bad thing, but I'm looking for a good discussion blog.

EvilJon said...

I think I could post multiple times on this subject.
A few years back I posted on a conservative forum, with a post script, about how I was looking forward to some good discussion. It was deleted.

Interesting idea bobo, but flawed.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/08/politics
First let me state that while I am liberal, but I was conservative in my past. I listened to Rush and am ex-military, so you get the idea.
Second let me state that there is no perfect answer. If either was to have complete control there would be no great utopia where everyone was happy, and productive, and resources were not an issue. Thus there is no exact right answer. But there might be a better answer for most people.

We know politics is about power and of course that devoles quickly into economics. Let's remember that no matter how much we're told other wise, the poor have the least ability to change their situation. They don't have resources, lack many opportunities, lack education. Many people hate the poor, for dragging down the economy and taking their tax money for education, prisons, homes, health care, etc.
Conservatives are penny wise, pound foolish. They think keeping the money to themselves will save them, but in our current society it's bound for failure. They'll whine about the problems they help create. They cut funding for programs that help people, and now prison costs keep rising per inmate and we have more inmates then any other country. The situation creates more costs, more problems, and more money spent poorly.
Since having children and poverty is so intertwined. http://www.livescience.com/history/070215_fewer_children.html
We also realize that by providing people with opportuniny for a better life, it's a circle. They have fewer children, they have more time to get a better education and make money.

As a side note, I know Chris worked on games for a long time.
I used to play a game called MULE on the Commodore 64. For those who don't know, it was a multiplayer game where you would receive land, and could choose what to build there food, energy, or ore(basic game). I could win the game fairly easily by being ruthless with the commodities I controlled. But usually the colony on a whole would suffer from my choices.
Of course are enonomy can't as easily be controlled by a single persons whim, but it doesn't stop people or groups of people from trying.

Chris Crawford said...

Thanks for the comments, EvilJon. They reminded me of something that I've wanted to write about for some time. I think I'll do that right now. Stay tuned.

EvilJon said...

After re-reading my own post. . .
I'm sorry for being all over the place in my writing. Part of the problem is I want to communicate a lot, but not write a lot. Unfortunately it backfires, and makes it more difficult to communicate the intention of what I wrote.

The first URL is there in response to bobo's mentioning liberals and logic. The idea of it was that in the article they mention that more professors are liberal or moderate.

The second URL ends children.html

I'll go through and read more tommorow if time permits and possibly post more.

Chris Crawford said...

Looking forward to it!

Case said...

I tend to think of conservatives as being more morally based and logical while liberals tend to be more open-minded and emotional but I don't know if that is true anymore. Any blogs that I read where conservatives and liberals intermingle it seems like all they do is verbally barrage each other with insults. There are some people from both sides that try to supply valid information but most of the people seem to resent the other party and have the intense stubbornness in believing that the decisions that their party makes are the right ones. Our country would be much better off if people would realize that the majority of the political moves made by a president is going to have a negative impact on a substantial amount of the population. With such an extremely diverse country, it is impossible to make decisions that help everybody out. I am conservative but I believe liberals and conservatives need to work together. The severe bipartisanship of the United States really irritates me, while different opinions are good, the unwillingness to work together is really detrimental to the well-being of our country.

Chris Crawford said...

Welcome, Case! I'm really glad to see a thoughtful conservative posting here -- we seem to have a bad imbalance. I hope you'll continue to participate in discussions, and I especially hope that you'll be able to provide a strong data point confuting my claims regarding conservative bloggers.

And yes, I am very strong agreement with you that liberals and conservatives need to work together to tackle the problems this country faces. I think we can disagree with each other while still recognizing the need to hammer out painful compromises. I'd like to establish a political principle that, on important issues, a 51% majority just isn't good enough. Simultaneously, I'd like to establish a countering principle that something like a 75% majority is enough to settle an issue once and for all. For example, I think it's possible to come up with a compromise on abortion that would command the respect of 75% of the country. That compromise would probably not closely adhere to my own views, but it would probably be acceptable to me. But right now we're frozen on this issue because a minority, smaller than 25%, is determined to fight this to the death. And that's bad for the Republic.

Anyway, I'll try to come up with a new post soon. Feel free to comment on any of the other material here.

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Lene Espersen (Trilateral commission)

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http://danmark.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/danmark-huser-terror-forbindelser/
http://viden.jp.dk/undervisning/sites/100dage/indsigt/kronologi/default.asp?cid=133586
http://politiken.dk/indland/article401435.ece
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Peter Straarup (Bilderberg) Danske Bank, Copenhagen
Jorgen Schleimann (Bilderberg) TV 2 Denmark
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http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0401/S00143.htm
http://www.whale.to/b/hitler.html
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Skull_Bones.htm
http://www.savethemales.ca/251102.html
http://www.nogw.com/illuminati.html
http://www.kafka.dk/byrn-sagen.htm
http://www.nogw.com/illuminati.html
http://tvnewslies.org/html/george_w__bush_-_world_s_leadi.html
ADOLF HITLER WAS 90-100% demonized SATANIC PSYCHO, A PRODUCT OF SATANIC MIND CONTROL MADE IN THULE-GESELLSCHAFT/SOCIETY-HIS CONSCIENCE REMOVED 90-100%/Hitler var produkt af satanisk tankekontrol fra 'Thule-gesellschaft' og manglede samvittighed?
George W.Bush is 80-90% demonized satanic psycho,A PRODUCT OF SATANIC MIND CONTROL of US illuminists,conscience removed 80-90%?
Anders 'Djævelens lærling' Fogh Rasmussen is demonized 60-90% satanic psycho,A PRODUCT OF SATANIC MIND CONTROL of U.S. illuminists,conscience removed 60-90%?
PET - chief Jacob Scharff (chosen by illuminists,using his fanatism,chosed to be sacrificed,willing to become satanic patriot idol?) and danish politics Henrik 'Qlortrup' Qvortrup are typical examples about these kind of danes or demonized danes?( f.ex. his articles about Khader just before election were meant to stop Khaders new partys success, and illuminist plan was to make Villy Søvndal 'winner' of that election? Now Anders Fogh Rasmussen plays stupid and ruins Denmark, and then illluminists can give all power to new socialist government? No need to mention that Søvndal probably did not got so much voices, but computers were programmed to make him a winner? WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM HIM?)
Demonized person do things he would never do himself, but demons or mind control makes him to do bad or evil things, and these kind of persons are not controlling totally their own actions or decisions but a demonic power may control them.
Solution is Bible,Gospels, accepting Jesus as their saviour, praying and chirstians must pray for them, so that they would become free from evilness.
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Tore Toivicco asks danish soldiers to come back to Denmark from Irac:
While I was reading a webpage about Bush's governments Irac war , I understood that danish soldiers should not go to Irac.
(source/kilde: 'WHY GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORLD’S LEADING TERRORIST! , Analysis by TvNewsLIES.org -September, 2004/ ©2004 Michael A. Schiller,
Written by Mike Schiller ' )
http://tvnewslies.org/html/george_w__bush_-_world_s_leadi.html
Irac war has killed more US citizens than any terrorist attacks ever could kill, and same goes to Denmark?
The only goal of that war is to get people killed?
Or it is illuminati war?
VIETNAM WAR WAS ABOUT DRUGS, SOME WARS HAVE BEEN ABOUT OIL, the real reason for Irac war is unknown - but all those wars were meant to kill both enemies and our own people? All wars are illuminati wars? And danish government has a war in Irac as an illuminati operation?...=killing?
I suggest that no one is sent there anymore and that those ones who are there come back to Denmark? And no one ever goes to Irac war from Denmark. This message is especially to those parents whose children are in Irac and to danish government,but also to every dane who wants to know the truth and help Denmark free.
We must remember that Anders Fogh Rasmussen has recently visited George W.Bush and ADMIRED BUSH'S 'LAND OF FREEDOM AND PEACE' maybe same time when danish journalist Svensson was pointed by a gun of an old woman, because he was walking on her lawn. She would have had a legal right to shoot that journalist according to US law in that state...
(Note that illuminist US president candidates never mention WTC/911 or Irac war- they repeat small slogans about US politics, but nothing about true politics or Irac war or FOREIGN POLITICS - just like always it is said that illuminist shadow government chooses/uses democratic president to change conditions in USA, AND REPUBLICANS TO DO FOREIGN POLITICS...( US President is ALWAYS illuminist, TRUE POLITICAL government is Georgetown university? -Source: Jon Eric Phelps- ) Not a one candidate has mentioned Bush governments probably lethal and destructive law about screening every US citizen to find out if they have psychological problems.This Bush has already used in Texas and caused huge amounts of people ordered to start some psychiatric 'therapy', which has been a huge business for medical companies ? (=ILLUMINIST OWNED MEDICAL COMPANIES?) Now as a result of this law more people may become destroyed than were destroyed in Vietnam war + Irac war? This is totally 'Stasi'- law , and COMMUNISM PSYCHIATRY action in USA destroying whole country.Psychiatric drugs create violence and addict people...also they make it impossible to think or understand most things , making people zombies.Even if 'only' 0,1% of people were like this, you must understand that it ruins decent society - and psychiatric evaluations may label 'insane' much higher percent...
F.ex. Nick Heathers book about psychology proved that actually psychology found always same amount of 'insane' from any group, which of course means that whole this so called science is only a method to label people ' insane' amd then start to make money by trying to 'cure' them.)Den nazistiske verdensorden sender danskere til døden til Irac?
Denmark is a satanist land (and 'killing' its own citizens)?
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Denmark is a sad example about good democratic christian country which has become a satano-freemasonic dictatorship of illuminist nazis- and as a result of this we can see next things?:
-Pernille Lund Oldenborg- gase-sag
http://www.uopklaret.dk/?obj=sag&type=sag&func=vis&id=128
-Easter 2008(ritual murder day of satanists..)Turkish guy killed in Amager in a gang war (police has not gang satanism investigation dept?...)
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=137019
-Gangs burning København-copenhagen
-Media provoking immigrant population
-Police has killed 11 people during last years- many of those victims- unless all of them- had no weapons...(= satanic group operations?)
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article978770.ece
-Drug dealing 666 city part Christiania -2 killed by gangs...
http://ibyen.dk/musik/article331050.ece
-2 cases in which 2 immigrant family women got murdered (danish officials had ignored their reports when they had asked help.)
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article126954.ece
-Discrimination,Discrimination,Discrimination,Discrimination,...
-ETC.ETC.
Copenhagen-(or whole Denmark ?) IS FILLED WITH THESE PEOPLE?
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Notes:
Any (or 99,99% of them) prominent high person,f.ex. international politician who is not tellign you about these things - about illuminati,illuminists,secret societies,bilderberg,etc. - is fooling you, and is himself a member of this secret establishmentor or member their hierarchy or co-operating with them.
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ILLUMINIST TACTICS:
THEY USE SOME GROUPS and label them guilty-f.ex. they used Russian revolution and blamed jews being behind it- and later used this against jews in nazi-Germany.
Now they blame christians and muslims- I guess plan is to make muslims attack against christians- or just simply blame muslims when in fact satanology elite attacks against christianity?
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Boycot everything danish/made in Denmark ( use swedish 'copies') , because of lack of ethics of people of Denmark?
Boycot China Olympic games and Denmark? ( Note that I must use question mark in this sentence ; I am too afraid to state this, because I live in 'nazi'-Denmark...)
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Danish cities uses nazis/freemasons as officials against immigrants?
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CIA,PET, all governments and intelligences lie? Not a one of them has publicly mentioned JESUIT GENERAL aka Black Pope , or jesuit military/intelligence, which rules more or less all intelligences and freemasons, etc.?...and even better - they may try to stop people who mention these things?
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Hope?
It is possible that this secret society world order can arrange things so that it seems that someone is dead, but person is still alive?
Therefore be always sure that you check if someone really is dead, in case of death.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Aurora/4519/dia.html
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html
http://www.westword.com/2007-08-30/news/dia-conspiracies-take-off/full
http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/babylon-39thparalleldenverairport.htm
Jon Eric Phelps link states that there is cure for the cancer- it is just too bad that it is not so easy to get that help.OZONE HEALING IS SAID TO CURE ALL DISEASES-HERE IS ONE Link-ADDRESS ABOUT IT:
http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html
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Satanic trick of VK government in Denmark?
Choosing some people maybe only 1% to suffer, and make at least about 50% of people 'happy' by making their lif e easy is a satanic trick in which satanist chooses someone and makes that person a victim?
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Advarsel - til alle sanskere/warning to every dane and US citizen:
I think it is time to wake up and see what is happening.
Nazi WORLD ORDER AGENDAS ARE politics of Denmark and USA- and f.ex. terrorlov/ laws har taget vores menneskerettigheder/ have taken our human rights.
I skal ikke tro at det er kun indvandrere de stopper- det er demokrati og kristendom de vil stoppe.
It is not only immigrants and minorities they are stopping-
it is democracy and christian people of USA and Denmark they will stop.
Wake up-
STOP NAZI GOVERNMENT-POLITICS OF DENMARK!
STOP SATANO MASONIC NAZI POLITICS OF DENMARK!
STOP SATANO MASONIC NAZI POLITICS OF DENMARK - TODAY!

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The christian science of mental health - A satanic lie about the war?:
I think it is a lie when satanologist elitists say that war is part of human nature - I believe that most people are happy because there is no war- and wars are only created and started by this high world satanologist elite above governments - they own war industry and they never go to wars themselves...?
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Denmark is a total Stasi- country, and EVERY immigrant knows this...?

I ask every human rights organization to investigate every official in Denmark- these people are doing human rights nazi- crimes all the time...?
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PET states that there is terror threat i Denmark.
Comment: It would be strange if there were not threats after Denmark provoking muslims?
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Danes discriminate immigrants every day, and we never get equal life here? Danes do anything to stop our lives and even government is doing that?
All laws and changes- they have changed everything during last years time- are targetted against immigrants ?

F.ex. last week - easter , a holy ritual murder time of satanic cult - 2 danish nazi goth gang members kill 17-year-old immigrant ,who is working in the night? (because danish society do not give decent jobs for immigrants?).

This was a big news,but it is not a big news that killers were danes. (When some immigrant killed a hash user Antonio Curra it was made a big deal that accused was an immigrant and actually it was like a campaign against immigrants-to get voters to 'semi-racistic' DF-party? By the way we can only ask what kind of person after couple of hours in new country is buying hash in most criminal area of Copenhagen - and on the other hand, why he did not go to Christiania, where everyone else buy their drugs - was he also brought to get killed by mysterious goth girl/hustler with? Media and police never investigated that goth girl/hustler in same taxi/cab with Curra - even both she and taxi driver claimed that they could not call police...????)

Now reaction of illuminist-justice minister and some politicians were to blame city of Copenhagen, because of failing to handle people who have social problems. But the truth may be that this was only a satanic gang murder, and maybe even planned and ordered by highest level this worldwide satanic elite? (Elite including police and justice minister?)
Why is police not investigating these gangs? Police has no gang investigation department at all ? Hells angels rule whole Copenhagen? I know this satanic family which operations has about 20 years time been to administrate gang operations ,prostitution and drug trade - and it seems that all these criminals of that family have police status? They also operate in many countries. Big news this week was a danish socialist having sex with 15-year-old girl, but any official in Denmark has not been interested about this satanic cult abusing their daughters, f.ex. this satanic family which I have mentioned have abused their children probably from age of 1, and maybe professionally from age of 11-12. This is nothing special- it is satanic religion of these people, and f.ex. this kind of thing happens all the time in gang culture, but officials do nothing to stop it? Drug gangs are illuminist operation protected by highest illuminists of Denmark?
Something fishy in Denmark...

And then we get huge campaign about new film which shows danish assassins of WW2...-we can only wonder why no one is protesting against this movie or trying to stop it, because same time media and politicians are worrying about gang violence and murders?

This movie is a satanic movie - made to mind control danes to accept killing - because it shows how danes kill nazis in Denmark- and of course it is made to create Denmark an image being against nazism? (This is how satanic entertainment operates all the time- they may make movies showing some justified ideas,but on the other hand they may operate as showing violence and (unaware level?) forwarding satanic ideas and mind controlling people to do bad things?) Now this stupid movie may operate as mass mind control and propaganda against immigrant population in Denmark? By the way some people say that actually the truth is that those assassins were killing them who were not nazis,which implies that also this matter has been nazi-satanic operation, maybe together with nazi-Germany or higher administration above nazi-Germany...? This would support my theory about Denmark being co-operating with nazis and so called actions against nazi-Germany is mostly propaganda which was created to make Denmark seem innocent after WW2 (same way as catholic church never got accused even it supported Hitler and Mussolini...Project paperclip...?)?
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US Politics- president election 2008:
There is only 2 ways how democrats could loose this election; if they use woman or black person as their president candidate. And they choose Obama and Hillary as their candidates...
(Well, maybe after Bush regime democrats would win even if their president candidate were a cat...)
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US Politics :
Movies 11'09''01 / This Divided State:
Movie "11'09''01" about 11th September is a movie showing and stating how 911 was a start of deleting US supremacy?
This movie shows true ideas behind 'jesuit or illuminist' agenda, which is to destroy USA ,because USA is only power which stops satanic cults to destroy christians and jews?
Wake up US citizens-whole Europe is already filled with muslims, and half of USA is already filled with catholics (obeying jesuit military?) and satanists?
Christians,jews,USA and danes/Denmark are accused and will be attacked by these people who hate christians and jews - by this satanic world elite,using catholics and muslims against us?
The truth is that US citizens,jews,danes and christians has not done anything bad to these people- instead it is this same secret society world order elite ( illuminists,zionists?), who rules Israel,USA and whole world- and is using their world wide politics and businesses against developing countries and exploiting them.
Same agenda is seen in Michael Moore's movie This Divided State- christian people shown stupid? - and old fashioned- young people supporting
freedoms and sensible politics?...These are only 2 examples of this kind of underlying propaganda - in Europe we see it everywhere (while I am writing this 2 muslim teens harass me and maybe check what I do -I am using public computer...and maybe even use cell phones, etc. against me ... muslims are in every European countries.We can ask why.Answer is that it is same agenda in order to stop christianity- and later democracy - though they can do this fast.(There is no reason to blame immigrants.Most immigrants are normal people who have moved to another country to get better life-and this must be allowed. Problem is this international secret society cult,which sends their agents and agitators in secrecy amongst these people-f.ex. all KGB agents-except Putin- were sent secretly to western countries from ex-USSR...?).Maybe only thing which stops them is USA and US army, which is greatest military power on the earth, and as long as USA is still mostly christian it ofcourse may be that USA would attack against this NEW NAZI WORLD ORDER actions- though US elite also is and has always been one part of this same illuminist elite?)
Therefore MOORE's political agenda is OK, which makes people trust him- but underlying satanic agenda is not OK. THIS IS A SATANIC TRICK THEY ARE USING ALL THE TIME(I am not saying it is Michael Moore,but it may be men behind production companies or Orum city)- THEY GIVE US SOMETHING which seems OK, but satanic world order gives us same time their satanic agenda operations.This way our civil rights are taken away- instead we are given surveillance as a security-politics and actions against 'terrorists'.
Danish provocation of muslims never was about freedom of speech- its agenda was to provoke muslims and get us terror laws, and hostility between christian and muslims?
Secret society world elites target is to delete democracy- or make world satano-masonic communism control state,more horrible than we ever have seen before - all these agendas can be seen every day-terror laws, global warming 'bullshi*',provoking religious groups,creating hate against christians,Denmark and USA,etc. etc.
Wake up danish and US christians, before its too late.(It may be too late already.Ofcourse Jesus may destroy all these bullshitters one day?)
Modern politics is not made by politicians.Modern politics is made by movies,entertainment,pop music and media.
Modern political propaganda has only one ideology-satanism and satanic ideas, like hate, violence, power, money, police state, drugs, materialism, occult, immoral ideas, etc. This they have repeated now about 60 years time, and we can se results. Last time when I saw a christian in a movie - only christian I have seen in media during last 10 years time ? - it was this 'This Divided state'-christian who were suing students who wanted to help freedom of speech...
Totally satanic propaganda?
Moore's movie shows as a christian ' a weirdo' who attacks against these 'modern and humane values' having students?
The truth is that christianity has given us freedom of speech and democracy- which are basics of western world.
Christian idea about everyone being equal in front of the God is the basis of democratic thinking- and it lead to a law 'Habeas corpus' - which gave everyone a right to own their own body and life = i.e. there was no right to keep anyone as a slave anymore after that. And this same christian idea led to democracy in which everyone had a right to vote and this way choose our governments - instead of illuminist monarchies (f.ex. Denmark,danish bloodlines), which now are coming back by this satano-masonic nazi world order (All these bloodlines have continued in power by corrupting politics all the time and f.ex US presidents have always been illuminist members; it is not possible to get success unless you are a member or co-operator of this high world elite? Now media in Denmark is writing every day about one communist candidate-and this way making him new prime minister? In 'nazi'-Denmark it is better to have a 'nazi'-goverment than communist government- if you put a commie-government to 'nazi'-Denmark, it is like having a DOUBLE- insanity in danish politics.)Nazi world order agenda is to create luciferian 'satano-masonic communist control state' on the earth.
Only ones I have seen suing people in real life are satanists- they are creating this lawyer-society, and using it against their enemies.Satanists have attacked me by using lawyers and polices,I have been surveilled 24h/day, 10 years time now,they have attacked me by using gang members and nazis,Christiania and Christiansborg,immigrants and danes,criminals and officials, etc.etc.
These people are satanists - and I have never seen a christian who has sued anyone , especially if matter could be solved any other way. It is even a christian principle not to use legal actions against others- because laws are not perfect- peoples lives are ruined by wrongful decisions and non workable laws. And things can be solved by communicating and handling matters right way.Christian idea is to love and help everyone.
Suing and using law is totally A SATANIC WAY of destroying other people.These rich danish 'nazi'masonic satanist' elite members are using lawyers and trials everyday here against their enemies. It is not christians who sue people or send polices to harass them - it is 'nazi'-satanic elite agenda danes and 'nazi'-satanic elite agenda US citizens?
Same way as they (zionist-illuminists) have used jews as a scapegoat to their crimes like creating communism- they blamed jews about that or many other things (but according to Eric Jon Phelps communism was created by illuminists and zionists are using jews as scapegoats,normal jews are not zionists).Christians are not doing anything bad to anyone- normal US citizens,jews and danes are not harming anyone- illuminists/zionists in governments and in high politics, illuminist state Israel and secret society world order elite is doing all bad things and trying to make world blame US citizens,danes,christians and jews?That is secret society world orders satanic politics?
Head scarf 'discussion'/tørklædedebat is that same agenda- they try to provoke muslims, create hate and get control state and make anti-religious propaganda- which later can be used against any religion- making it impossible to show any religious symbols or talk about religion, while they themsleves freely advance their materialistic satanic ideology as described in this article before.So, that this satanic cult can easily delete christianity ( and christians?) -or any other religious or political group they feel threatening them?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328802/
http://www.thisdividedstate.com/
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Hero cult is satanic ideology:
Satanic ideology has given us superhero ideology. This is their agenda -and they may try to use gen technology in order to create some freaks- but it is an old satanic ideology- probably a result of witnessing some demonized peoples actions- in which demons can actually use body anyway they want- and this seems to be idea of most superheroes too.F.ex. SUPERMANs creation has something to do with jews or kabbalah? Superheroes are normally normal people- who can suddenly become a superhero with superpowers (demonic powers, demon using a body. Superhearing= demon telling to person what demon has heard, etc.)Pop idols are some kind of entertainment version of hero ideology.
As a satanic ideology it works 2 ways:
1.making people idolize something which is not Jesus or christian
2.MAKING PEOPLE IDOLIZE AND ADMIRE DEMONIC THINGS
Pop idols were created by this satanic world order so that people would idolize pop idols instead of Jesus and instead of true heroes , like good people,true artists,philosophers or scientist, etc.
Now people are idolizing criminals or weirdos as idols who they see in TV and wasting their time with THIS.
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Media is only a cyber reality given to us by this Secret society world order.
We are never given true data about anything - only political propaganda disguised as 'news'?
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Denmark 2008:
Yesterday was a big party and my 2 vehicles were broken so that I could not go there.They were repaired 2 days ago so it is quite strange that they would be broken now.When I came back home,after trying to use them, there were a police car driving near me- and when I was back home it was made obvious for me that someone had operated with this thing(I am not giving details about this publicly)...and even I have reported these things to police probably 100 times before- I feel that it is totally useless to try to report this to police and get them to do something about it.This is continuing harasment of freemason Denmark- and police never investigate crimes done against me?I nstead they are driving after me and trying to provoke me to do something they can use against me?
F.ex. Last weekend there was an immigrant gang member or brotherhood member 'repairing his bicycle' outside of my home every day- and this way controlling what I do - to get something what they can use against me - and get me thrown out from my apartment? These people harass me all the time- and anyway their reports are used against me- instead of doing anything to my reports?
...This is again totally insane-
I was harassed by officials last 2-4 weeks- maybe longer-

and when i finally got it some way in order-
I have been harassed again by danes - and even my neighbours (=danes) every day - yesterday maybe 4 times ( I was handling things only in 4 places...)
Police ignores my reports...?

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Harassment is done so that I never can prove anything.
I am a proper victim for these peple because they have managed to isolate me out of life in Dnemark.

This has of course been a HUMAN RIGHTS CRIME THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE and a human rights c rime of danish government or danish police adn justice officials - BUT NO ONE EVER CAN PROVE IT?....or anyone who would try to reveal it would become killed or framed or labeled mentally ill?
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Secret society world order 'control society'-politics theory:
- Internet:
Internet is a plot -f.ex. emails were free , but now many companies demand payment about emails- and this way everything is first given freely in internet, but later when it is impossible to handle things without internet, they make it very effective control system- and leave their enemies out of internet and this way out of society.
Nothing else is needed- this way they can stop their enemies and christians and no one even notices it.

Is it possible to stop internet? Probabaly not- but that would be only way to make society to understand that internet msut be kept only as a spare system, b but never an actual system for handling things. F.ex. even today hackers can basicly ge t any adaTA ABOUT ANYTHING IF NEEDE- AND STILL BANKS AND OFFICIALS DEMAND US TO GIVE ALL DATA About us to internet...

- Car industry,cars:

They make cheap cars so that repairing them actually costs more than buying more expensive car, which probably needs not so much repairing.This has been a planned thing to make sure that people who not earn so much money cannot get much money, ever. It is a control system- financial control.

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Denmark, 2008:
Last 3 days time - I've used some public computers - every time there has been problems in logging in.This nazi-country illuminist-intelligence
has blocked my account so that I cannot log in normaly and they contro what I do in internet?

I guess my theory about danish and international illuminists and freemasons having pedophile ring with this danish goth-satanist family must be right?
Highest elite is involved and polices job is to make sure that no one stops that abuse?

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Proof about gang and satanic administration co-operation in Copenhagen area?:
All these places have same wall colour,black (showing a satanic ideology)?:
Paramount, Ungdomshuset,Roskilde walls,Rust,Rock...?
Those gangs have taken that paint from Roskilde -festival,which has almost all walls painted black there? (Shows a satanic gang co-operation?)
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Even some of my statements may make some danes feel that I am against danes I write these things in order to help mankind and Denmark. Corruption and human rights crimes in Denmark must be stopped. Now we immigrants are victims of these people , but same way as in nazi-Germany earlier these things will ruin everyones life and whole Denmark unless no one stop these people. Min mening er at hjælpe alle. Danskere skal vågne op! I dag bliver indvandreres liv ødelagt - i morgen er det danskernes... ?
De har ødelagt mit liv- Let's make sure that no one ever gets this kind of treatment I have gotten here.
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'Satanists shouldn't have any rights?'
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Denmark og danskere - stop jeres krig mod indvandrere! Danmark and danes - stop your war against immigrants!
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The christian science of mental health :

You cannot know who is satanologist by their looks when you see them somewhere- they can be rich, poor, ugly, beautiful, lovely, violent, nice, normal, strange, angry, hippies, criminals, polices, doctors, teachers , students, christians, catholics, jews, communists, nazis, republicans, democrats, liberals,
punks, hip hop, etc.etc. (or seem to be those things) - but there is only one thing which may
reveal you who is a satanologist:

It is a lack of humanity (maybe caused by demonization made to them by satanologist upbringing)?
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The christian science of mental health :

Notes about mind control:

Mind control victim is always separated from other people and one reason for this is that he is forced to use
such communication forms to other people which can be easily surveilled, controlled and archived-so that his communications can be used as an evidence against him or to label or frame him criminal or psycho, etc.
F.ex. email,internet,chats,letters,SMS's and ofcourse telephone calls.No one talks with him,unless they harass victim and there is witnesses to prove against him.

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Let's START A WAR AGAINST FURS ! ACT NOW !
http://www.caninescorner.org/topics/dogfur/nofur.jpg
http://www.animalconcerns.org/resource.html?itemid=200710081755040.641951&catid=8
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Personally I do not believe that there has ever existed resistance against nazism in Denmark during WW2. I believe that it is a lie like many other things of illuminist administration. Denmark was producing food to german nazi-army all the time during WW2 - and illuminist-Denmark never was a threat to nazi-Germany? Illuminists gave the world undercover story about danish resistance, so that Denmark got good international status, same way as s they hide the fact that vatican had supported Hitler and Mussolini?
We can see that after WW2 nazis were never punished - Germany got huge help from illuminist administration ( Monroe-loan support from USA ) and became Europes richest country. Partizan -Yugoslavia got punished by illuminist administration at 90's by serb nazi army, polish nazi co-operators got rewarded first by getting rid of USSR at 80's - and now Denmark is taking about 100 000 polish to Denmark. I do not know what Turkey has done during WW2, but everything implies to it that illuminist world administration has rewarded also Turkey, by taking millions of turkish people into European countries- maybe Turkey was also helping nazi-Germany in killing christians?
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Maybe Denmark is exceptional country if we think about Illuminati- we have only 4 million people here- and 100 000-1 000 000 illuminati connected people.In other countries illuminist operations are maybe so high level things that normal people never have any connection to these things- and therefore never become aware or interested about these things?
But if illuminists consider you a problem in Denmark, you get treated wrongly even in a shops or offices - all the time, teen gang members of even children of danes are used in this kind of harassment 24h/day - and if you go to the police, they ignore everything?
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Role playing is only training to an illuminati harassment or crime operations.Same way as in role playing some people give exact orders to players- and they must obey them 100% - same way illuminist crime operations are done, and can be done in the future against enemies of illuminists- and everything seems only coincidences? This way these people who give orders to those ones who are obeying their orders, can actually do crimes and make it all seem coincidences or hide true criminals behind crime.Those ones who are only obeying their orders may actually become arrested as guilty ones, especially if police is also playing this true role playing and maybe even being dishonest and arresting intentionally people who they know only be obeying orders?
This is a clever way for illuminist elite to make people do crimes and harassment- and make it all seem something else.They sit in their homes and order other people to do things according to their orders- and this way cause some crimes.And police never investigates nothing but those ones whom they are arresting as a part of this 'role playing' or as a part of 'the most horrible play'(=ROLE PLAYING MADE IN REAL LIFE?)....?
Satanic madness of Denmark must be stopped!
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Of course it is some way stupid to try to use internet in communicating about the truth , because 99% of internet is administrated by satanologists or people under them.F.ex. about 95-99% of things I have dione in internet are hacked or stopped by them, and probably 100% of my writings has been surveilled by them.

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Movies are mind control- they are showing all the time scenes in which killers are shown as strong or powerful people when the truth is that people who kill other people are weak and psychopaths , victims of satanic culture or victims of satanic mind control.
It is different thing if we think immigrants killiing danes- that is justified killing because there is no alternative and whole society is against immigrants in Denmark, which makes this kind of killing justified
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" Science which do not include love as a part of it, is not working or truthful."
- Tore Toivicco,2007
(This is basicly only an quote from John Forbes Nashs Nobel- speech. Maybe it explains why religions are working instead of materialism?- even USSR had to create religious ideology in their communistic system - belief and investigation of supernatural phenomenas and UFOs.[This is why we have UFO movies and stories- to replace true religions,when New world order control society takes over?])
Source:
http://www.rbc.org/devotionals/our-daily-bread/2004/02/24/devotion.aspx
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Mind control note:

One reason for some danish and US soldiers being in Irac may be mind contrl-
f.ex. shown in the movie 'The Manhurian Candidate' - mind control is done in such places which may become later destroyed
- and they are long distance from Denmark-
so that it is very difficult or impossible to go to those places later.This is intentional because mind controlled -some way hypnotised people may start to remember and become free from hypnosis if they later go to the places where they were hypnotised or
mind controlled.Therefore war gives a good opportunity to mind control people - soldiers are told to obey orders all the time - and
it is very easy to get rid of people who possibly resists mind controllers , because deaths are considered normal in a war zone.
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'Nazi'-Roskilde festival again?:
Roskilde festival has published first list of bands of Roskilde festival 2008- and again Roskilde -festival ignores and 'discriminates' one million people ethnic minority of Denmark by lacking totally music for immigrants groups of Denmark. All bands are 'corporate rock' bands for white middle class ? There is probably hudreds of very popular pop music groups in Turkey and Arabic world and since Roskilde festival states that it is pop music festival, or actually only 'music festival', - being largest festival inEurope and having this amount of one million immigrants in Denmark,it is totally strange that it never has any music for these immigrants who do not necessarily listen western world pop so eagerly.
Anyway Roskilde has a status of an organization which supports society by giving money to many different groups in danish society, but all this makes it obvious that Roskilde festival is only supporting groups of some gang or certain elite connected people or operations, and not necessarily any operations which truly would help culture,integration or humanity in Denmark? Money goes to danish gang member groups connected to Christiania, drug trade, satanism and Hells Angels? (=danish nazism again...?)
Has police ever investigated Roskilde festivals connection or what is done with this huge budget it has - sometimes they earn tens of millions of crowns....?
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It is quite difficult to do anything else in Denmark that criticize things which happens here- not much possibility to study or create science or philosophy- f.ex. last few days, 2-3 of my things broken by someone, my internet pages hacked (immediately after I had managed to make it easy to find them in internet... ), making it impossible to publish my things internet- offices making 2 wrong and bad decisions, time wasted and harassed 2 times while handling normal matters in 2 firms... and officials have omitted to give probably about 10-20 answers I have asked regarding my matters (could discrimination be more obvious?)...Please, send these statements to nearest human rights office or to human RIGHTS OFFICIALS...where ever you are...
Stop nazi-illuminist politicians of Denmark today?
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Sources/kilder ( if not mentioned earlier ):

Actually these links would be modern news if secret society world order would let journalists write about them?:
Here is some links which may give you an idea about these kind of things happening in real life (De synspunkter der gives udtryk for i linkerne, står udelukkende for vedkommendes egen regning og repræsenterer ikke holdningerne hos Tore Toivicco productions eller tilknyttede selskaber./opinions of links are not my opinions.):

NOTE - IF YOU WANT TO CHECK THIS DATA LATER, IT IS BETTER TO SAVE THOSE PAGES TO YOUR PC,
BECAUSE MANY OF MY SOURCE-LINKS HAVE DISAPPEARED FROM INTERNET SOON AFTER I HAVE USED THEIR DATA...
(Propably many of them are stopped...proves that there is something which some people do not want to be publicly visible...?):

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http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html
http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/HITLEROC.TXT

WE MAY NEVER FORGET REGINA LOUFS TESTIMONY- SAVE IT TO YOUR COMPUTER HERE:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/02050_regina_louf.html

Regina Louf's speech before the UN Committee on Human Rights in Geneva: "...the police, judges and lawyers found our testimony worthless. ..."

http://www.radicalparty.org/belgium/lettera030500_e.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent_europe/1962244.stm
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/satanic_concubines.htm
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/04/21/story786459628.asp
http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/12/16/brussels.2.t.php
http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/index.php?act=print_article&topic_id=1351

REGINA LOUF: "'Influential people were involved' " "Senior judges, one of the country's most powerful politicians - now dead - and a very influential banker were included." "It was big business - blackmail - there was a lot of money involved." She knew, she said, that sessions were secretly filmed without the clients' knowledge. "

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=662&id=625612004
http://www.sbs.com.au/whatson/index.php3?id=274
http://coranet.radicalparty.org/pressreview/print_250.php?func=detail&par=2290
http://www.blog.hr/print/?id=1621731619
http://www.fathers.ca/political_elite_sex_rings.htm
http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/index.php?act=print_article&topic_id=1351
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[..LaVeys San Francisco guests included Carin de Plessin, called “the Baroness” as she had grown-up in the royal palace of Denmark..."
Source: Anton Szandor LaVey,A Biographical Sketch,by Magus Peter H. Gilmore, © 2003
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/LaVeyBiography.html ]

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Use of word satanism or satanist IN MY WRITINGS MEANS EVERYONE WHO IS SATANIC OR OCCULT GROUP OR COVEN MEMBERS,REALLY PRACTISING REAL HARDCORE SATANOLOGY,INSTEAD OF DABBLING SATANISTS,WHO MAYBE DON'T DO MUCH HARM TO ANYONE.(WHOLE TERMINOLOGY IS ONLY ONE WAY TO FOOL PEOPLE,THERE IS ONLY ONE SATANISM!) SATANISM HAS ALSO MADE HUGE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE THEIR MEMBERS DURING LAST 10-15 YEARS,AND THOSE NEWLY RECRUITED PEOPLE MAY BE ONLY ONES WHO ARE KNOWN TO BE IN SATANISM AND WHO LOOK LIKE SATANISTS,F.EX.GOTH AND DEATH METAL FANS, -AND THEY EVEN MAY BE FOOLED TO DO CRIMES,BUT THEY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.REAL SATANIC ADMINISTRATION IS AMONGST HIGHEST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET(OR ABOVE THEM).
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